Thursday, March 01, 2007

KATG claims Podshow has only 12,000 downloads a day

Keith and the Girl, arguably the biggest podcast in the world, has continued its occasional series of attacks on Podshow in its latest episode, Prove Me Wrong, by spending around the first 15 minutes of the episode claiming that the entirety of the Podshow network has only 12,000 downloads per day. This is less than the KATG show on its own, according to co-host Keith Malley. No word on where the figures came from as yet, but KATG do have a history of being leaked sensitive Podshow information from disgruntled insiders as in episode #247, The Podshow Contract, where they read out a leaked version of the contract offered to new recruits which had all sorts of restrictive music-label-like clauses.

The publication of such figures, if true, would be a further blow to the new audio media industry which has already seen consolidation in the satellite radio industry this year. I wonder how those numbers would stack up with The Podcast Network. Podshow has to date received US$15 million in venture capital while I don't remember hearing about TPN getting any funding, apart from out of Cameron Reilly's own pocket, yet it seems that TPN doesn't have much to beat.

26 Comments:

Anonymous Phillip Molly Malone said...

Doesn't seem right to me. Surely Daily Source code would do this on its own (it has dropped off but still).
Would love it to be true.
Molly

5:18 pm, March 01, 2007  
Blogger Leslie said...

You know, given how much these commercial pod-network guys bleat about the corrupt world of Old Media, they sure have a predilection for fucking creatives in the ass.

Want a fun exercise? Google for the word "empower" with your favorite pod-network's name and see how many hits you get. They're not empowering amateur broadcasters, they're fleecing them through amateur business practices.

6:43 pm, March 01, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course it's true. Have you listened to KATG? Have you listened to any the podshow crap? It's pretty simple really. Keith and the Girl is actually interesting and fun to listen to, whereas Daily Source Code and all that other podshow crap is just a waste of time.

Oh yeah, and Adam Curry is a faggot.

8:28 am, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't understand. Why do people hate podshow? Seriously. Avoid the "BECUASE THEY SUCK. Give me DETAILS. They are the new Creed. Back in 2002 everyone hated Creed. It was in the cool thing to do.

I have a show on Podshow (The Musicians Cooler). I enjoy my Godaddy bonus checks. I enjoy the press releases they have done for me. I enjoy not having a hosting fee. I enjoy the added bonus of networking with BT, AOL, etc that podshow has established. After all the other podcasting networks have.. um... they've...

For the record some of my other podcasts are on libsyn. I am signed up with Kiptronic. I am with Podtrac. I am with Blubrry. My one show on Podshow has made more money for me than my other shows combined.

I always here, "If you leave the network, they can still run my show (OH GOD NOT MORE EXPOSURE NO!!!!)". On every podcast I promote MY WEBSITE. I have a link to the podshow site, but if I were to ever leave, my fans would know where to find me (so stick your branding argument up your ass). My fans are subscribed to MY feed. I have never had a podshow person tell me what I can or can't do in a show. Podshow reps have sent me e-mails asking if there is anything that they can do for me (those BASTARDS). They do not CONTROL anything.

Then I hear the gripe about the 15 second spots at the begining and the end of the show. You know the ones that you can fast forward through...
Go put in a DVD. Anyone notice that you CAN'T fast forward through some of the previews anymore. Go to mtv.com and watch a news story - right after the advertisement. Go turn on your PSP - schwooop "Sony" comes on. An advertisement. However if Podshow puts a 15 second spot on they are the devil. The evil doers. For the record I start the DSC at the 5 minute mark and skip all the music. Its called a fast-forward button (and I don't share AC's tase in music). Oh yeah, and I'm not forced to listen to the DSC (another comment I've heard).

Is there room for improvement? Yep, and when I talked to them at PME, they took notes. It's like THEY CARE. Again, BASTARDS.

So go ahead. Have fun. Spew your hate. Register podshowsucks.com and ihatepodshow.com, dumbassdave.com but please use coupon code cooler3 when you checkout.

Just my opinion.....

Dave Jackson
Musicans Cooler
Where Musicians Come to Trade Advice
www.musicianscooler.com
http://themusicianscooler.podshow.com/

9:42 am, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Bill said...

To the above I think mainly the "hate" comes from the fact that you no longer own your content, period. It's podshows content now and as a representative of podshow you "may" have to relinquish some control over what you may be able to do with your podcast in the future, or what can be done TO it. Of course they may not have done anything drastic to you now, they're trying to grow! But what you signed has given away ownership and that kind of sucks after the hard work that you have put into creating something original.

10:15 am, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that Podshow's lack of reaction on these issues makes them suspicious in the minds of people. It's just weird that they wouldn't react if they care to be taken serious.
Also, there were several occasions where Adam Curry was just being petty and hostile-ish, while people like KATG seem to be very straightforward even though they might be blunt.
I think people are just more attracted to the anti-established than to the wannabe suits. I know I am.

11:21 am, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Dave. Podshow just aren't as bad as KATG make out. Read any contract with your pessimistic head on and they're all horrendous and have the potential to screw you over. Get your mortgage or home rental contract out and try it. I find the 12000 figure hard to believe as well.

This is partly publicity. KATG did really well with "Fuck Dawn and Drew". They've been shouting for a head to head with Podshow for ages, how much free publicity would that be? Aim for the biggest and most visibly target and chuck the biggest rocks you can at it, it's one of the oldest tactics in the book.

KATG beats any Podshow podcast hands down but this is hot air. Sorry Keith.

11:28 am, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Phillip Molly Malone said...

The reason I don't like Podshow/AC is that they are shade as all get out. Pulling down comments. The way Adam went all "Podsafe" and putting the Blame on the Music authorities (Did anyone notice that he pissed on them just perform this by blatenly playing music he knew he would get in trouble for. It was a tactic to not piss of those that liked the mashups and hittest). Wikipedia. Etc EtC etc Mark Whats his face, etc, etc

And have you beed to the site? Talk about a train wreck!
JMTC
Molly

12:21 pm, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Comic Strip Blogger said...

Keith and the blow job known also KATG are crooks who would do any criminal activity to put down podshow inc. The fact is that when I tried to discuss with them on their forums then stupid Keith and his moderators started to CHANGE MY OWN FORUM POSTS and my profile - very childish and criminal behavior. Then they blocked me from their forum while continuing to post as myself and they were changing my old posts in their forum. It shows that nothing that KATG says can be trusted to any extend.

4:12 pm, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Phillip Molly Malone said...

Well I guess by the title of todays show means we will find out more.
Molly

4:37 pm, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Comic Strip Blogger said...

Keith later admitted that this 12,000 WAS ONLY A GUESS. In other words: Keith lied, he just said something from the air.

5:37 pm, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Phillip Molly Malone said...

Maybe your missing the context because English isn't your first langauge, but he is say "he guesses" to avoid any possible law suite.

Your boy Curry could be a fraud, I guess. ;-)
Molly

9:20 pm, March 02, 2007  
Blogger Paul Levinson said...

I agree completely with Dave Jackson! I'm very happy with Podshow as the host of my Levinson news clips - which, by the way, often receives over 100 hits a day, and is small potatoes, so just on the basis of that I would doubt the 12,000 figure for all Podshows...

3:54 pm, March 03, 2007  
Blogger Matthew Dattilo said...

First, Podshow doesn't respond to KATG's crap because it's just that, crap. Anyone who has spent time in politics or the business world knows that it is often best to ignore your critics, as answering them only gives them attention. And that's all little Keithie wants.

Also, their "outing" of the Podshow contract was bullshit. I have signed a Podshow contract for my show (Matt's Today in History) and I can tell you that at least 50% of his claims were lies. That's right...lies.

So before anyone jumps on Podshow for being evil bastards, maybe it would be a good idea to actually learn something.

2:40 am, March 04, 2007  
Anonymous homerthegreat(at)gmail(dot)com said...

Wow, amazing, Ive never heard of the Tin "stink" finger or any of your podcasts. The only way I stumbled on your site is by other people talking shit about Podshow, AC or The Clown and the Crack Whore. As soon as any of you silly fuckers make any money from this stupid shit. Let me know. I'll be on the lake on my 25 acre homestead with a fancy house with nice autos in the garage. Please, if any of you assholes make more on your silly fucking shows than I pay in taxes in a year on my property, I would be astounded. Piss on you Molly stink finger or whatever your stupid name is. HA HA HA

Simpletons, go get a real job and podcast for the enjoyment of it. Consider yourselves lucky to be able to podcast at all you spoiled brat kiddies. Realize that most of the world works for a lifetime to make what you idiots make in a month. To have the luxury to do this kind of thing should be reward enough, you greedy dick holes. Go do something that is meaningful to the world.

11:50 am, March 04, 2007  
Blogger esme said...

quote homerthegreat(at)gmail(dot)com:
Realize that most of the world works for a lifetime to make what you idiots make in a month. To have the luxury to do this kind of thing should be reward enough, you greedy dick holes.

but then... just a paragraph above:

I'll be on the lake on my 25 acre homestead with a fancy house with nice autos in the garage.


So, who's the greedy? If you aren't greedy, why don't you donate all your money from podshow to charity (to those who spend a lifetime to make what you do in a month) or perhaps better yet, not be with podshow... enjoy listener's donations and store sales &c and keep your content.

I'm not trying to say that those who are with podshow are greedy. I don't really think they are greedy at all. Just homerthegreat(at)gmail(dot)com contradicted himself pretty badly while making pathetic childish "stink" noises.

quote Dave Jackson:
Then I hear the gripe about the 15 second spots at the begining and the end of the show. You know the ones that you can fast forward through...
I dont really think the point of those spots are to be skipped. Yes they can be skipped but if that's what people are actually doing, the spots wouldn't be there.

quote Comic Strip Blogger:
The fact is that when I tried to discuss with them on their forums then stupid Keith and his moderators started to CHANGE MY OWN FORUM POSTS and my profile
I would expect them to do that. What did you expect on a forum full of KATG listeners?? It was not the appropriate place to discuss. And what is there to discuss, they make their views clear and forum discussions are not going to change that.
If you listen to their shows, you, too, would expect them to do that. Changing forum posts is nothing. Keith has no problems throwing old men's walking sticks across the road. Seriously.


As for the no. downloads, no idea where the 12k figure comes from but KATG is definately more popular on Alexa traffic and where KATG is getting more popular, podshow are losing users.

9:16 pm, March 04, 2007  
Anonymous Phillip Molly Malone said...

So much for "Podshow doesn't respond to KATG's crap"! May I point you to this: http://curry.podshow.com/?p=548
Hmmmm...Seems like a response to me, what do you think Paul?

And to "homerthegreat(at)gmail(dot)com" or should I say Mark "I need 8 Writers" WHats his face, I just want to say how sorry I was to hear how badly Shadow Falls bombed! Man I was heart broken for like milliseconds! But man you put such a great spin on it.
Molly

9:19 pm, March 04, 2007  
Anonymous homerthegreat(at)gmail(dot)com said...

For the record. I have a nice home, two nice cars and a great family. I am healthy, but not money rich. I am rich in so many other ways. and yes, I do donate both time and money (albeit small) to charity. I apologize for the name calling. This wasn't the point of my post. My apologies. I just wanted to make the point that the business and money end of things is really messing the podcasting community. Sure there are some casts I LOVE and some I can't stand. But everyone is making an effort and actually creating entertaining content. Some people have even invested considerable time and fortunes into trying to make a working sustainable model for podcasting. Bandwidth bills alone can be ruinous to anyone who becomes successful at garnering listeners or viewers. I know. Be careful about what you wish for. If there weren't hosts willing to provide bandwith, a lot of people would work for the rest of their lives to pay for the bandwith bill they got because of all of the RSS hits and transfers. GO Get dug and find out the hard way.

Later,

Homer

2:25 am, March 05, 2007  
Blogger esme said...

I understand how difficult it is for podcasters. Bandwidth is expensive and living purely on donations and store sales is very difficult. Not many podcast shows are doing as well as KATG on the money front and it's not great living as a starving artist so to speak.

I do see the theory behind Podshow, but it is appearing to run similarly to the music industry, which is far from favourable with many artists being fucked over by these giants daily.

I was not around when the music industry wasn't rife with pop music and their controlling record companies, but I was around when podcasting began. It had the great open source, doing-it-in-my-home-garage vibe to it, which is the way so many things are pointing in this internet-age (e.g. software, books/education, blogs, music without DRM, free content licenses)

Podshow seems to go against all that with its iron fists and contracts bullying people around who are not as well funded as they. I guess that's trade off -what you have to sacrifice- when you want large companies involved.

On top of that, I have heard Adam Curry's comments about KATG and listened to his guest appearance on TWiT. I don't feel that he is not a likable man. Yes he is the 'podfather', however he is (as his wiki entry states) an entrepreneur. He does not have the best (or perhaps even good) interest of his podcasters in mind.

I do not know what the alternative would be, however, I don't think that Podshow are doing it right.
Perhaps individual podshows getting their own links with companies who are compatible. I don't know much about podtrac.com but it's an alternative.

6:13 am, March 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wasn't ron bloom a infomercial guy before podshow? that's enough for me.

1:51 pm, March 05, 2007  
Anonymous MicheBel said...

Although it's been said in many posts here, I want to reiterate it. What KATG said was crap. The downloads number is just plain wrong. I have never been happier than when I signed with Podshow, and everyone there has treated me superbly. They DO NOT own my content, I do. I am excited and thrilled to be part of Podshow.
--Michelle from Whispered Pearls

11:14 am, March 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I banged Michelle in Second Life. Didn't I, honey?

- Keith

1:29 pm, March 06, 2007  
Anonymous Cubby said...

Comic Strip Blogger said:

The fact is that when I tried to discuss with them on their forums then stupid Keith and his moderators started to CHANGE MY OWN FORUM POSTS and my profile - very childish and criminal behavior.

Seriously, dude?

You really believe that it's against the law to change posts? I think the justice system is a little to busy to care about the fact that your truly offensive posts get edited and that your member status is changed to "FUCKTARD!"

7:17 pm, March 06, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adam Curry built podshow on lies & deception and on the backs of people who actual know the technology, and he continues to try and scam advertisers. Adam is constantly trying to drum up the community to do things that in the long run only benefit him and podshow in some pitch to make back room deals. Who built the Podsafe Music Network? Adam acts like we are all in this together mean time he is stabbing us in the back. He has 19 million in funding yet podshow website is the biggest piece of crap. The whole thing is a big con that he is pulling, and it will eventually unravel.

9:51 am, March 07, 2007  
Blogger Matt Dattilo said...

Adam Curry built podshow on lies & deception and on the backs of people who actual know the technology, and he continues to try and scam advertisers.

Where's your proof? It's real easy to fire off hot opinions like this, isn't it? Go back under your rock.

You don't even have the guts to post under your real name...coward.

2:44 am, March 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where's your proof? It's real easy to fire off hot opinions like this, isn't it? Go back under your rock.
You must be under a rock yourself if you haven't seen how Podshow was built. "Hey lets bum rush the charts man" why is he pushing this stuff, Adam uses the public like sheep, to do what is good for Adam. He is a dishonest person who uses people and preys on the ignorant marketing industry to make himself appear to be relevant while Ron bloom lives out his rock star fantasies.

10:42 am, March 09, 2007  

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